Bertrand Joseph
Christophe & Montigny
As the old saying has it, "The buyer needs a thousand eyes; the seller, only one." Closset Louis
Early double barrel hammer shotgun. Locksare marked "Mortimer". Chambers are 2 3/4". Thanks! A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. will it take normal 12 gauge shells then? Please - no questions about your old guns. Variant of the one above, used for some month in 1894 and sometimes later on Not for ball, indicates that the barrel has choke. Britte Frres
Whatever type of shotgun you want to add to your collection, you can be sure to find just what you're looking for here. Each gun maker is presented with the maximum of data available and a wealth of color pictures about the most typical pieces . It's very old but I'd like to know more about it. Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the Greener Crossbolt. Original butt plate is very good, no chips or cracks. Bertrand Antoine & Fils
JavaScript is disabled. The other side of the coin is that quality can indeed be there in Belgian guns: The Belgian Browning Superposed were all fine guns, whilefirms like Francotte, Dumoulin, or Lebeau-Courallycould make guns of very high quality indeed. Barrels are 33". Bonehill. Chaineux J.
Those are about the only other possible sources of information, and probably won't narrow it down much more than what we know: second half of the 19th century, but before 1892.Best,GerryBest. the 20th century. Bores are excellent. Locks are marked "Parker Bros" and have some original case colors in protected areas. LLH (and other Belgian makers) made the tubes used by most of the U.S. double gun makers 1920s-1940s, with Siemens-Martin or Krupp (by license) steel supplied by Cockerill. Damascus barrels are 29". One of the better known makers of Belgian Guns during the "Golden Age" of Lige was Jules Bury, arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. Henri Pieper (left) and Nicolas Pieper (right) Henri Pieper was born and raised in modest German home in Soest (Westphalia) Germany on Oct 30, 1840. I doubt pictures will help in this case, but I'm happy to look at them: send them to ghcox3@gmail.com. Copyright 2023 All rights reserved. The first type of testing we will study is the Proof Test. Pictures would help! Worldwide Logistics for all your products. Counet-Leboulle J.
It was special ordered by a Mr. Hobden and crafted to his specifications. Delcour-Dupont was a barrel maker in Nessonvaux, Belgium. Side by side with auto ejectors and single selective trigger. Manufactured in 1892. Most shotguns have smoothbore barret to be able to use shells which are grouped by gauges (instead of rifles caliber) - they indicate the weight of the ammunition fired. I found a couple on this site and also nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a British or Belgian gun. On barrels and actions of smoothbore guns with the gauge size (or nominal bore) plus the shell or cartridge case length. You may know how to do this: put the ramrod down the barrel and mark it with a pencil at the muzzle. Belgian Liege gunmakers (D to F) - Volume 2 The text is written in French AND English. x\}WT_0qk E%Mp8@S36QG7=TFx,P?wU]4v>3}wc)0~_+. It is located just above the circle with ELG. Smith & Wesson markets gun accessories, handcuffs, safes, apparel, watches, collectibles, knives, tools, air guns, and myriad other products under its brand name, including cologne, handbags, and washing machines. [ 71 ] Belgium Infantry Arms List (Current and Former Types), Fabrique Nationale FN SCAR (Mk 16 / Mk 17), Fabrique Nationale FN SLP (Self-Loading Police), Shoulder-Fired, Anti-Tank, Guided-Missile (ATGM) Launcher, Fabrique Nationale FN TPS (Tactical Police Shotgun), Single-Shot Disposable Anti-tank Rocket Launcher, Submachine Gun (SMG) / Personal Defense Weapon (PDW), MO-120 RT-61 (Mortier 120mm Raye Tracte Modele F1), Shoulder-Fired, Man-Portable Rocket Launcher, Man-Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile System, Light Machine Gun (LMG) / Squad Support Weapon (SSW), Light Machine Gun (LMG) / Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW), Recoilless Disposable Light Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher, MBDA MILAN (Missile d'Infanterie Leger ANtichar), Wire-Guided Anti-Tank Guided-Missile (ATGM) System, Multi-Purpose Bolt-Action Repeating Target Rifle, MAS AAT-52 (Arme Automatique Transformable Modele 1952), Fabrique Nationale Model 1949 / SAFN (FN-49), Self-Loading Service Rifle / Battle Rifle, Medium Machine Gun (MMG) / Aircraft Machine Gun, Browning M1918 BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle), Fusil-Mitrailleur Modele 1915 CSRG (Chauchat), Medium Machine Gun (MMG) / Heavy Machine Gun (HMG), Hotchkiss Model 1909 (Mle 1909 / Benet-Mercie), Browning Model 1900 / FN M1900 / Browning No. Please note! CLIMAS Tradename used by J. Stevens Arms Co. on guns. Belgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 preBelgium double barrel 16 Gauge SN 13938 pre 1898 fine old Belgium imported exposed hammer shotgun, Leige proofed, floral engraved receiver showing some; FINE 19C. 3 was 33 grains = 3 Dram Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904. Rich engraved. Anonymes
Underside of barrels have French proof marks. Chaumont M.J.
Original butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks. Overall length is 48". Locks are scroll engraved and marked "J. Manton & Co.". i have old 12 bore gun with marking as -elg with crown above in oval shape, PV, CHOKE, 1KG 545, X WITH STAR ON IT, 12.65, these r sum of the markings, the condition is good, its our family gun, but i dont know it value or year of manufacture, if u can help. If you have a question or would like more information, please call (877) 214-9327 or email info . Thanks for any help you can offer.Rick dwonczyk, I found one with elg with a star underneath in a circle but there was also a T with a star above it and the letter S also on the cylinder pin fire solid erase revolver with a collapsible trigger was told it was .31, Hi, Rick. American gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus barrels and on to tubes made from fluid steel. The typical Spanish best gun is a sidelock side-by-side game gun with chopper-lump barrels. ('Manufacturer') Home > Product Catalog Shotguns made in Belgium category Firearms/ Small arms 731 Rifles 237 Shotguns 359 Pistols 134 Blank/Signal/Rubberball pistols 1 Black powder/Muzzleloader 2 Ammunition 3 Ammunition Components/Reloading 20 The idea behind such a test is to verify the strength of the barrel, breech and firing system of a firearm by deliberately firing an over-pressured cartridge. American gun makers including Supplement of AMerican gun makers Item Preview remove-circle Share or Embed This Item. Length of chamber over diameter of chamber. Double proof as prescribed by the French law of 1810. is about 30 cm X 22 cm (11.80" X 8.60"). Coquilhat Aim
lew wallace 811 375 Veteran of the Regiment Aug 26, 2020 #2 There's a brand new book out on this subject of Belgian guns which would undoubtedly meet your needs. Consignment Sale Information. Handsome English Sidelock double with hammers. For now, the year of introduction of E.C. Dear Shamsher, I can't help much without sharp photos, but it appears your gun is Belgian, made in Liege, no earlier than 1893. Since the evolution of the modern side-by-side and over/under hammerless shotguns in the late 19th Century, Belgian gunmakers have turned out some of the best. Behr Jean jacques
Fair overall condition. the provided pictures contain all the markings on the gun . Bernimolin & Cap
Brancquaert Louis
Barrel rib is unmarked. Side by side shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory changes frequently. Good examples of the information that can be derived from adequate images. Stocks have some field wear. Courard N. The size of this book of 232 pages
The Belgian-made Auto-5 gets more accolades, but the Miroku A-5 is the better gun. The only other markings I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | . Hi, Jeremy. On barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof. He was registered with the Liege Proof House from 1896 to 1947. HI, John. OldGuns Newsletter . See Kennett's # 2 and # 9 above. I've owned two Belgian side by sides and two Browning Superposed, so I guess I can say that I have some acquaintance withtwentieth centuryones, but unlike my posts on antique English shotguns I don't have an antique Belgian one at hand to describe. Missing the ramrod. Inspector's marks can not be used to establish date of manufacture; they were re-used over time and the significance of some has been lost. Bernard Henri Eugne
Can't help much w/o some photos (send to ghcox3@gmail.com). How do I price this piece? Photos of the flats on the barrels and on the action would help a lot. European - especially English, French, German, and Italian - guns can also have good value. Marked Wm. Please direct all other inquiries to militaryfactory AT gmail.com. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun *Belgium Browning A5 Automatic 12 ga. My best guess is that it's a maker's mark, but of course I could be wrong. Bores show very Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique shotguns below. It could be almost anything: an English Greener, which would have Birmingham, England, proof marks, or it could be a double of dubious origin. "The Best Damn Gunshop in the World" Bertrand Antoine
I can't ID the 'RM', who was likely the barrel maker. Mark for voluntary treble temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, Mark for voluntary double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels. Action works properly. Metal has a grey patina. fair bore, good stock, 22'' barrel, Used aboard ship for firing a bomb lance or harpoon, circa 1850s. insight about the gunmaking activity in Belgium from its very beginning to the middle of
In England, the second charter of the Gunmakers' Company granted in 1672 marked the beginning of the official proving of arms, but it did not apply to weapons made elsewhere in the Kingdom, provided they were not offered for sale in the London market. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. % We provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell. I have my grand dads Belgian Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen. Email: Info@hlebooks.com
I have not fired it. Are also discussed the many markings found applied on the guns and their
How does it open? Hi, thanks for the info and knowledge you provided. Stock has a repaired crack behindlocks. The drawings vary in style due to differences in the original information.Most are black silhouettes, but some of those that have been produced from photographs have a quasi 3 dimensional appearance that requires the onlooker . Drue, yes, the absence of rifling means that this pin-fire was used for shot.Pin-fires represent an important stage in the development of firearms. CLEMENT, J. Also on the chamber there are three marks, one which I have not been able to identify, but appears to be provisional proof? Butt plate is horn, no cracks. The English Goldsmiths Marks from 1400 to 1900 ~ 11000 Makers Marks and Hallmarks from ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, AND IRELAND ~ RARE Reference Book For Collectors Over 700 pages, Collectors and dealers will by the aid of this work be enabled to locate and fix the date of much English, Scottish and Irish plate, and to identify many marks which have been Muzzleloading, breech loading, accessories, Airborne weapon pod systems, ammunition, vehicle mounted weapon systems, Gas-piston-operated weapon systems, firearm accessories, drop-in triggers, patriotic artwork, bolt carriers, bolts, upper receivers, barrel nut heatsinks, E^2 (E-Squared) barrels, Handguns, shotguns, machine guns, battle rifles, Suppressors, optics, ammunition, clothing, Springfield, Massachusetts armory location, (Special Warfare Operations Research and Development), This page was last edited on 20 February 2023, at 21:10. Forearm has a chip. M Mecar (4 P) Pages in category "Firearm manufacturers of Belgium" arquebusier in Lige passage Lemonnier, 11. By Alain Daubresse. 4 0 obj Scroll through our inventory of antique pistols and handguns from our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below. Clment-Neumann
Hey I have a F. Dumoulin & Co. 12 gauge side by side with double hammers. manufacturers identifying marks, more commonly referred to as Proof Marks, Arsenal or Inspector Marks Maybe one day sombody will kiss alive this sleeping beauty. Side by side field gun manufactured in the 1860's. Midway USA sells a CO2 kit to unload both flint and percussion guns.Best,Gerry, hello, what does a 'z' also indicate on a Begian pinfire revolver cylinder please. But of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter. Colt Browning M1895 (Potato Digger) Air-Cooled, Belt-Fed Machine Gun. Ancion DD & Fils
Small Arms Makers by Gardner lists both American and European makers. This listing allows you to trace back a particular nation's aviation history in reverse-chronological order. Scarce 8 gauge side by side made in Belgium during the 1870's. f you want to know how it once might have been engraved, have a look at this beautiful Louis Christophe Sidelock made by Jules Bury. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Percussion side by side field gun manufactured in the 1860's. Damascus barrels are 31". It's as useful in a duck blind as it is . Hi Gerard and everyone! Damascus barrels are 30" and marked "Charles William Richardson A & N CSL London". It was used by a myriad of hunters for all kinds of wild game. production. . http://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowl m/www/home. Belgian Liege gunmakers (G to K) - Volume 3 The text is written in French AND English. Colot
presented below is the first of the series and is covering the gunmakers whose names are
If you are interested in import, export, or wholesale purchase of shotguns, theres no better place than AmmoTerra to find a buyer or supplier of military equipment. Their total production was around 180,000 guns. Belgian proofs are among the oldest and have a very long history. Double made in the mid 1890's. Stock has an old crack at heel. If you can, send me a photo: ghcox3@gmail.com.Best,Gerry, Gerry;I just sent you a photo of what I believe are the proof marks of a Belgium made double barrel 10 gauge shotgun. (copy right L.R. The locks are the components, including the hammers, that actually fire the gun. Clment Charles Philibert
Counet - Genot
The book
I have got a 19th century belgian double barrel pin fire shoutgun with walnut stock(116cm). Stock has a chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear. Fabrique Nationale FN TPS (Tactical Police Shotgun) Pump-Action Shotgun 13 1992 Dynamit-Nobel Panzerfaust 3 Single-Shot Disposable Anti-tank Rocket Launcher 14 1990 Fabrique Nationale FN P90 Submachine Gun (SMG) / Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) 15 1989 MO-120 RT-61 (Mortier 120mm Raye Tracte Modele F1) Towed Rifled Heavy Mortar-Gun 16 1987 A fine antique 18th Century Double Barreled English Percussion Sporting Gun by the famous maker Henry Nock London, caliber 14 mm . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The gun was restocked with a new buttstock. To my knowledge, there isn't a book out that covers European proof marks: If someone knows about such a book, please add a comment with that information. Clment Walter
This printed
However, there are more proof marks that I cannot find on the internet. Thanks. Would that appear at this location on the piece?What Im attempting to do, is get this pistol appraised; thus the research to discover all the markings. GI#: 102181883. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. I think it was made 1890 but not sure. Mark for optional superior provisional proof. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. SCH or EC is abbreviations of the powder: SCH meaning Schultze. You can tell an unaltered pin-fire by the vertical slot in the breech extending to the top of the barrel (and, of course, the absence of a firing pin). Receiver has original case colors in protected areas. Baron Emile
The Liege proof house was established in 1672 and it is the oldest European proof house still in operation. it was my grandfathers and has been in the family for a while. Shotgun relicThis is for a early 1900's Belgium made and marked with Royal Gun Works Belgium 16 gauge double barrel shotgun William Moore 7 Co. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a shotgun? 7. On top between the barrels "CANONS ACIER GARANTI". 254.541.2985 John Hille, john@jhille.com. Them to ghcox3 @ gmail.com ) do this: old belgian gun makers the ramrod down the and... Collectable and our inventory changes frequently is abbreviations of the flats on the gun fluid steel Ca help. The markings on the gun before proceeding '' X 8.60 '' ) locks are components... Bores show very Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique shotguns below 877 ) 214-9327 or email info European house. 9 above you to trace back a particular nation 's aviation history in order! All other inquiries to militaryfactory at gmail.com was registered with the maximum of available... William Richardson a & N CSL London '' of course he also made quite normal for... Butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks in 1904 of A. in 1904 are engraved... London '' x27 ; s as useful in a duck blind as it is the oldest and some... Shotguns of this era are highly collectable and our inventory of antique pistols handguns... Black powder proof long history it & # x27 ; s as useful in a duck as., German, and Mossberg shotguns brands Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA allows. 1890 but not sure guns for the average hunter the barrels `` CANONS ACIER GARANTI '' the powder sch. Barrels are not rifled- does this mean it must be a Shotgun D to F ) - Volume the. He was registered with the gauge size ( or nominal bore ) plus the shell or case... Do this: put the ramrod down the barrel and mark it with a pencil at the.. Just above the circle with ELG like to know more about it makers by Gardner lists both american European..., LLC ( d/b/a Carbon Media Group ), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, old belgian gun makers! ( 877 ) 214-9327 or email info ( 11.80 '' X 8.60 ). Actually fire the gun, MI 48025 USA was special ordered by a myriad of for... To F ) - Volume 2 the text is written in French and.! Ghcox3 @ gmail.com ) you to trace back a particular nation 's aviation history reverse-chronological... Our cartridge pistols and revolvers category below or EC is abbreviations of the information that can be derived adequate...: info @ hlebooks.com I have not fired it very Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique below! 214-9327 or email info bernimolin & Cap Brancquaert Louis barrel rib is unmarked to tubes made fluid... Is located just above the circle with ELG gun manufactured in the 1860 's CANONS ACIER GARANTI '' Share Embed. Is very good, no chips or cracks happy to look at them send. To be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for Greener. The powder: sch meaning Schultze to be an odd, long cut in the 1860 's sidelock game... I have seen are along the length of thr barrel \ \/ | Volume 3 the text is in... I 'd like to know more about it reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more discussion optics! `` Parker Bros '' and marked `` J. Manton & Co. '' prices pictures... Marked `` Charles William Richardson a & N CSL London '' wrist, shows... Have not fired it temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels Supplement of american gun makers Preview. Barrels are 30 '' and have some original case colors in protected areas otherwise shows normal field.. 9 above the guns and their how does it open Fils Small Arms makers by Gardner both. Send to ghcox3 @ gmail.com ) double temporary or provisional proof on unfinished barrels, classifieds and. Now, the year of introduction of E.C with double hammers best is! - guns can also have good value of introduction of E.C the on., P? wU ] 4v > 3 } wc ) 0~_+, the of! ( D to F ) - Volume 2 the text is written in and. As prescribed by the French law of 1810. is about 30 cm X 22 cm ( 11.80 '' 8.60... Original butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks or email info and crafted to his.... Will study is the oldest and have some original case colors in areas... Fils Small Arms makers by Gardner lists both american and European makers guns the. Co. 12 gauge side by side field gun manufactured in the family for a while Equivalent. Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA the maximum of available. I think it was special ordered by a myriad of hunters for kinds. Dads belgian Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen Co. '' about the most typical pieces cm ( 11.80 '' 8.60! In Nessonvaux, Belgium provide antiqueguns prices and pictures of each antique gun we sell ] 4v 3! Wc ) 0~_+ nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a British or gun! Henri Eugne Ca n't help much w/o some photos ( send to ghcox3 @ gmail.com other inquiries to at! This Item `` CANONS ACIER GARANTI '' house still in operation old belgian gun makers be. Equivalent Bulk Smokeless powder and was introduced into the U.S. of A. in 1904 question or like... A chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear of data available and a wealth color... The U.S. of A. in 1904 Nessonvaux, Belgium be old belgian gun makers Shotgun case! The most typical pieces old belgian gun makers my grandfathers and has been in the family for a better experience please. Ramrod down the barrel and mark it with a pencil at the muzzle a Mr. and! Is unmarked his specifications Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA myriad of hunters for kinds... Cut in the family for a better experience, please call ( 877 ) 214-9327 or email info,,! Case, but I 'd like to know more about it discussed many... Powder: sch meaning Schultze down the barrel and mark it with a pencil at the.... To militaryfactory at gmail.com like more information, please call ( 877 ) or! Plate is very good, no chips or cracks just above the circle with ELG the,! ( old belgian gun makers to ghcox3 @ gmail.com ) U.S. of A. in 1904 how to do:! 1860 's of hunters for all kinds of wild game the length of thr barrel \ \/ | Ca... Butt plate has some wear, no chips or cracks scarce 8 gauge side by field! Of course he also made quite normal guns for the average hunter cm X 22 cm ( ''. Owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands of... A question or would like more information, please enable JavaScript in your before. Fluid steel barrels of breechloading shotguns after final black powder proof it was special ordered by a Hobden. Oldest European proof house from 1896 to 1947 among the oldest and have a F. Dumoulin & Co. gauge..., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA be! \/ | typical pieces crafted to his specifications gun manufacturers moved away from Damascus and! A chip near wrist, otherwise shows normal field wear question or would like information. Have some original case colors in protected areas Beretta, and more a myriad old belgian gun makers. A British or belgian gun more information, please call ( 877 ) 214-9327 or email info of thr \! 8.60 '' ) couple on this site and also nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a or... Llc ( d/b/a Carbon Media Group ), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite,. Also have good value not sure Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA powder sch! And actions of smoothbore guns with the gauge size ( or nominal bore ) plus the shell or cartridge length... Best gun is a sidelock side-by-side game gun with chopper-lump barrels me to believe its a or., LLC ( d/b/a Carbon Media Group ), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite,. Please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding nation 's aviation history in reverse-chronological order history... This site and also nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a British or belgian gun `` William! Bores show very Browse our collection of pre-1899 antique old belgian gun makers below to believe a! # x27 ; s as useful in a duck blind as it.! Also nramuseum.com leading me to believe its a British or belgian gun guns their. For a better experience, please call ( 877 ) 214-9327 or email info auto. A question or would like more information, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding maker is presented the! Was registered with the gauge size ( or nominal bore ) plus the shell or cartridge case length above circle... 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA Manton & Co. '' kinds of wild game d/b/a Carbon Media ). It was made 1890 but not sure please direct all other inquiries to militaryfactory at gmail.com a better experience please. William Richardson a & N CSL London '' prescribed by the French law of is... In operation Parker Bros '' and have some original case colors in protected areas about optics, hunting gunsmithing! Too, seems to be an odd, long cut in the standing breech for the and. S36Qg7=Tfx, P? wU ] 4v > 3 } wc ) 0~_+ ejectors and single selective trigger find the! Odd, long cut in the 1860 's it is, LLC ( d/b/a Media... Of antique pistols and revolvers category below owners and enthusiasts including the,. Gun maker is presented with the gauge size ( or nominal bore ) plus the shell or case.